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"The Extent of the Atonement & Free Offer of the Gospel" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-09-28 02:22:36

In preparation for a couple of things including the upcoming adoption by our church () of the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith. I am currently reading an excellent exposition on that confession by Samuel Waldron. I would highly recommend it to anyone who would like to gain a thorough understanding of the In light of my yesterday. I would like to quote a small administer of the Confession and then a few comments from Samuel Waldron. The ennoble Jesus by his perfect obedience and sacrifice of himself which he through the eternal Spirit once offered up unto God hath fully satisfied the justice of God procured reconciliation and purchased an everlasting inheritance in the kingdom of heaven for all those whom the Father hath given unto him. Following are some comments from Waldron on the extent of the atonement. He makes a statement that many who benefit from the death of Christ are not elect and I would completely agree with that. He talks about how there are many benefits of common grace which flow out of Christ’s death. In his words. “many temporal benefits come to the non-elect as a result of Christ’s death.” He goes on to say that the proper question to ask is this: ‘In whose place did Christ substitute himself?’ - p.133 Ponder these statements from Waldron concerning the application and reach of Christ’s death: If Christ actually substituted himself for me and bore the curse for my sins how can I ever bear that curse? Will a just God punish the same sins twice? Did God in Christ actually redeem reconcile and propitiate his anger against us on the cross? (say Rev. 5:9; cf. 2 Cor. 5:14 with Rom. 6:5,8). - p.134 The context of the atonement demands particular redemption. The covenant is the context of Christ’s work. Christ’s blood is pledge blood. This is one of the most frequently stated truths of the New Testament (Matt. 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25; Eph. 2:12-13; Heb. 10:29; 13:20). All men are not in the covenant. Furthermore the covenant is one which secures the salvation of those in it (Jer. 31:31-34). If the entire context of the atonement is covenantal then its extent must be as wide as but only as wide as the covenant. This demands particular redemption. - p.134 Waldron also addresses the potential problem with consider to the free offer of the gospel to all mankind if particular redemption is true: The idea has move that particular redemption makes men deny the free offer [of the gospel]. This is false. Most people who believe in particular redemption also believe in the free offer. - p.135 The free offer of the gospel does not require us to tell men that Christ died for them. If the free offer of the gospel meant telling unconverted sinners. “Christ died for you,” then particular redemption would be inconsistent with the free offer. But nowhere in the Bible is the gospel proclaimed by telling unconverted sinners that Christ died for them. Never do the apostles do this in the book of Acts! Preaching the gospel is not in the first place proclaiming who Christ died for. The gospel is proclaiming Christ himself as the sufficient Savior of sinners (Matt. 11:28-30; Acts 4:12; 5:28-31). - p.135 This is just more sematical wresting of the scriptures. Jn 3:16 clearly declares that God so loved the WORLD (not just the world of the elect) that he GAVE (sent him to die for) his only begotten son. Is 53:6…” the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all”Is 53:10…”when thou shalt make his soul an offering for SIN” why doesn’t this simply convey all sin? Why do we need to run 1st to creeds and confessions instead of the bible? Why can’t we take God at his word especially interpreting the more obscure passages in lighten of the clearer and more direct verses (as the ones in my post yesterday)? Why is there this infernal dichotomy of only two tired theological constructs of calvinism and arminianism? Why is it we pick and choose among theologians to based on our pet doctrines? You should post a enumerate of approved scholars so I won’t alter the embarassing mistake of recommending Albert Barnes again because he doesn’t fit into your schemes of “original sin”. Why don’t you engage his material and show us that? Stop venerating the reformers as if discerning God’s word landed at a divine cul-de-sac and can’t move forward. I like John Piper but honestly if Edwards were alive today I wonder if he would like him more than Christ. The free furnish of the gospel does not require us to tell men that Christ died for them. this quote seems like nonsense to me in light of the fact that Christians are commanded to preach the gospel to every creature and 1cor 15:1-4 CLEARLY defines the gospel as the fact that Jesus died for our sins according to the scriptures. Furthermore. Paul clearly states that this is what he delivered to the Corinthians (while in their UNSAVED STATE) so you can’t say Paul “was only talking to Christians,” for at that time NONE them were Christians. Why do we need to run 1st to creeds and confessions instead of the bible? I don’t know who you are talking about here but this is not what I have done. My theology was shaped as a result of doing a verse-by-verse study through the book of Romans followed by a verse-by-verse study through the gospel of John. I was a synergist (one who believes man must cooperate with God to complete salvation) through and through for the majority of my Christian life. I proclaimed boldly how God looked drink through the corridors of measure to see who would accept his offer of salvation and those are the ones he chose. That is until our church’s adult SS classes (I was a teacher) began going through the book of Romans and then through John. I hardly even knew what a confession was back then (’03). So please don’t presume to know what I ran to first. For it was the word of God and only His word that I was reading and studying when I first saw the clear unambiguous. God glorifying monergistic work of salvation that God alone works in the hearts of those he has graciously chosen to receive mercy. I will be happy to go through your verses and address them one by one but we must first deal with your wooden literal take on words such as “all”. “world” and “whole world”. To get a better understanding of how you see these words in Scripture please answer the following questions about these two verses. I will quote the verses and then ask the questions. 1. And all the country of Judea was going out to him and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River confessing their sins. - Mark 1:5 2. So the Pharisees said to one another. “You see that you are not doing any good; look the world has gone after Him.” - John 12:19 QUESTION: Was every hit person in the country of Judea and every single person in Jerusalem going to John the Baptist confessing their sins and being baptized? QUESTION: When the pharisees were talking to each other were they upset because they believed every single person in the whole world (which would consider themselves) was going after Jesus? I have more to say but will wait until you have responded to these. whatever all means it is more extensive than the SOME of a 5-point calvinist. You know the bible does use figures of speech (eg “ends of the earth) etc. Hermanuetics teaches us to discern narrative passages slightly different than propositional theological statements-jeff Wait a minute!!! Before you were saying that “all” meant every single person. Why now the change? Why does “all” in Mark not mean every single person but the “all” in Romans does? This is confusing since there are no restrictive qualifiers in Mark when he says that “all” of Judea and Jerusalem were coming to be baptized yet in Romans 5 (verses you quoted) we see the restrictive qualifier of “many” being used by Paul in describing who will be made righteous. You restrict the “all” in Mark 1:5 to not mean everyone when there is no qualifier and you take “all” to mean every single human being in Romans 5:18 when the very next verse has a restrictive qualifier to show that the “all” is actually “the many” who are made righteous. That seems a tad inconsistent on your part. come up if you are forcing me to pick one stance on the word all (instead of seeing that it only seemed like all to the pharisees) I guess I’d have to still say (in Geisler’s words)that in the bible. ALL means ALL. BTW all encompasses many but many does not encompass all-again maybe the many means only those who obeyed the gospel in faith. PS-there’s no reason at all in Mk 1:5 that ALL doesnt mean exactly what it says: all the country of Judea and all the people in Jerusalem. Turn the tables here: are you saying all never means all? Does all only mean some all the time? Who gets to pick and choose when all means some and all means all? regarding affix #3…I should say that in post #1 I really had myself in mind more than you. You have kept to the scriptures with your replies and I do appreciate the integrity of doing so. I also want to encourage every Christian to investigate the historical creeds and confessions for their own individual merits in shaping a systematic theology and shaping the landscape of historical Christian orthodoxy. Keep one’s bible handy while doing so. My own church’s “creed” The Baptist Faith and Message sometimes seems to strain a little with its use of scripture references to support its positions. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q have in mind=""> <strike> <strong> But we your people the sheep of your feed will furnish thanks to you forever; from generation to generation we will inform your appraise. - Reading this blog may be hazardous to your man-centered doctrines challenging to your unsupportable presuppositions and just plain detrimental to your Arminian heresies. This blog has been known to cause high blood pressure nose bleeds headaches stomach ulcers gasping for breath hyper-tension dizzyness nervous twitches sudden angry vocal outbursts and light-headedness. If you experience any of these symptoms stop reading immediately and ask the Word of truth. If you are susceptible to any of these because of your general lack of preparedness to give a defense then please think twice before posting.. you WILL be asked to defend what you say! All others are asked to get their timid and easily-bruised egos at the door. Thanks for reading... Phil Johnson John MacArthur on the doctrine of election. You can also read a of the converse. Listen to yours truly Amillennialism on the communicate program. RCC SERMONS: Listen to from our pastor. Butch Rumble. QUOTE:"The spiritual dress each person needs is so radical so near the root of us that only God can do it. We need God to convert us. Conversion need not be an emotionally heated experience but it must evidence itself in godly fruit if it is to be what the Bible regards as a true conversion."- Mark Dever from 9Marks #4 WHY AM I DOING THIS?:As much as an amateur blogger and theologian can do this... I want to make you evaluate. I want you to know what you believe and why you believe it. And I want you to believe what you do - not because Mommy and Daddy believed it - but because it is the truth as contained in the Scriptures. I pray that God will use this blog and the resources and links provided here to grow its readers (including me) in the alter and knowledge of Christ. I pray this knowledge will result in a life of obedience that flows - not from fear or a wish to gain God's advance - but from a gratitude of knowing the truth about Who your Creator is and what your Creator has done for you. ACCOUNTABILITY:The posts I publish on this blog are my own and are the result of my own ideas thoughts opinions and study. However the things I write and post on this web site are not intended to be done outside the bounds of a local church body. I have no intention of being a lone ranger with no oversight making comments and saying things with reckless disregard for the vital role accountability plays in everything a believer does including blogging on the internet. Therefore. I would like to let you know that my wife and I have entered into covenant membership with a precious body of brothers and sisters in Christ and we fully submit ourselves to the leadership of our local church. If you ever have any questions or concerns please don't hesitate to let me experience by or by notifying my pastor via.

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"The Extent of the Atonement & Free Offer of the Gospel" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-09-28 02:22:36

In preparation for a bring together of things including the upcoming adoption by our church () of the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith. I am currently reading an excellent exposition on that confession by Samuel Waldron. I would highly recommend it to anyone who would like to gain a thorough understanding of the In lighten of my yesterday. I would like to quote a small portion of the Confession and then a few comments from Samuel Waldron. The Lord Jesus by his perfect obedience and sacrifice of himself which he through the eternal Spirit once offered up unto God hath fully satisfied the justice of God procured reconciliation and purchased an everlasting inheritance in the kingdom of heaven for all those whom the Father hath given unto him. Following are some comments from Waldron on the extent of the atonement. He makes a statement that many who benefit from the death of Christ are not elect and I would completely agree with that. He talks about how there are many benefits of common alter which flow out of Christ’s death. In his words. “many temporal benefits come to the non-elect as a result of Christ’s death.” He goes on to say that the proper question to ask is this: ‘In whose place did Christ substitute himself?’ - p.133 Ponder these statements from Waldron concerning the application and reach of Christ’s death: If Christ actually substituted himself for me and bore the curse for my sins how can I ever bear that curse? Will a just God punish the same sins twice? Did God in Christ actually redeem reconcile and propitiate his anger against us on the cross? (Note Rev. 5:9; cf. 2 Cor. 5:14 with Rom. 6:5,8). - p.134 The context of the atonement demands particular redemption. The covenant is the context of Christ’s work. Christ’s blood is covenant daub. This is one of the most frequently stated truths of the New Testament (Matt. 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25; Eph. 2:12-13; Heb. 10:29; 13:20). All men are not in the covenant. Furthermore the covenant is one which secures the salvation of those in it (Jer. 31:31-34). If the entire context of the atonement is covenantal then its extent must be as wide as but only as wide as the covenant. This demands particular redemption. - p.134 Waldron also addresses the potential problem with respect to the free offer of the gospel to all mankind if particular redemption is true: The idea has spread that particular redemption makes men deny the free offer [of the gospel]. This is false. Most people who believe in particular redemption also believe in the free offer. - p.135 The free offer of the gospel does not demand us to tell men that Christ died for them. If the free offer of the gospel meant telling unconverted sinners. “Christ died for you,” then particular redemption would be inconsistent with the free offer. But nowhere in the Bible is the gospel proclaimed by telling unconverted sinners that Christ died for them. Never do the apostles do this in the book of Acts! Preaching the gospel is not in the first place proclaiming who Christ died for. The gospel is proclaiming Christ himself as the sufficient Savior of sinners (Matt. 11:28-30; Acts 4:12; 5:28-31). - p.135 This is just more sematical wresting of the scriptures. Jn 3:16 clearly declares that God so loved the WORLD (not just the world of the elect) that he GAVE (sent him to die for) his only begotten son. Is 53:6…” the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all”Is 53:10…”when thou shalt make his soul an offering for SIN” why doesn’t this simply mean all sin? Why do we need to run 1st to creeds and confessions instead of the bible? Why can’t we take God at his word especially interpreting the more obscure passages in lighten of the clearer and more direct verses (as the ones in my post yesterday)? Why is there this infernal dichotomy of only two tired theological constructs of calvinism and arminianism? Why is it we pick and choose among theologians to based on our pet doctrines? You should post a list of approved scholars so I won’t make the embarassing mistake of recommending Albert Barnes again because he doesn’t fit into your schemes of “original sin”. Why don’t you engage his material and show us that? Stop venerating the reformers as if discerning God’s word landed at a divine cul-de-sac and can’t move forward. I like John Piper but honestly if Edwards were alive today I wonder if he would love him more than Christ. The free offer of the gospel does not require us to tell men that Christ died for them. this quote seems like nonsense to me in light of the fact that Christians are commanded to preach the gospel to every creature and 1cor 15:1-4 CLEARLY defines the gospel as the fact that Jesus died for our sins according to the scriptures. Furthermore. Paul clearly states that this is what he delivered to the Corinthians (while in their UNSAVED STATE) so you can’t say Paul “was only talking to Christians,” for at that time NONE them were Christians. Why do we need to run 1st to creeds and confessions instead of the bible? I don’t know who you are talking about here but this is not what I have done. My theology was shaped as a result of doing a verse-by-verse study through the schedule of Romans followed by a verse-by-verse study through the gospel of John. I was a synergist (one who believes man must cooperate with God to complete salvation) through and through for the majority of my Christian life. I proclaimed boldly how God looked down through the corridors of time to see who would accept his offer of salvation and those are the ones he chose. That is until our church’s adult SS classes (I was a teacher) began going through the book of Romans and then through John. I hardly even knew what a confession was back then (’03). So gratify don’t presume to know what I ran to first. For it was the evince of God and only His word that I was reading and studying when I first saw the clear unambiguous. God glorifying monergistic work of salvation that God alone works in the hearts of those he has graciously chosen to receive mercy. I ordain be happy to go through your verses and address them one by one but we must first deal with your wooden literal take on words such as “all”. “world” and “whole world”. To get a better understanding of how you see these words in Scripture please answer the following questions about these two verses. I will quote the verses and then ask the questions. 1. And all the country of Judea was going out to him and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River confessing their sins. - Mark 1:5 2. So the Pharisees said to one another. “You see that you are not doing any good; look the world has gone after Him.” - John 12:19 QUESTION: Was every single person in the country of Judea and every single person in Jerusalem going to John the Baptist confessing their sins and being baptized? QUESTION: When the pharisees were talking to each other were they disturb because they believed every single person in the whole world (which would include themselves) was going after Jesus? I undergo more to say but will wait until you undergo responded to these. whatever all means it is more extensive than the SOME of a 5-point calvinist. You know the bible does use figures of speech (eg “ends of the earth) etc. Hermanuetics teaches us to discern narrative passages slightly different than propositional theological statements-jeff Wait a minute!!! Before you were saying that “all” meant every hit person. Why now the change? Why does “all” in Mark not mean every single person but the “all” in Romans does? This is confusing since there are no restrictive qualifiers in Mark when he says that “all” of Judea and Jerusalem were coming to be baptized yet in Romans 5 (verses you quoted) we see the restrictive qualifier of “many” being used by Paul in describing who will be made righteous. You restrict the “all” in Mark 1:5 to not mean everyone when there is no qualifier and you take “all” to mean every single human being in Romans 5:18 when the very next verse has a restrictive qualifier to show that the “all” is actually “the many” who are made righteous. That seems a tad inconsistent on your part. Well if you are forcing me to pick one stance on the word all (instead of seeing that it only seemed desire all to the pharisees) I guess I’d have to still say (in Geisler’s words)that in the bible. ALL means ALL. BTW all encompasses many but many does not encompass all-again maybe the many means only those who obeyed the gospel in faith. PS-there’s no reason at all in Mk 1:5 that ALL doesnt mean exactly what it says: all the country of Judea and all the people in Jerusalem. Turn the tables here: are you saying all never means all? Does all only mean some all the time? Who gets to pick and choose when all means some and all means all? regarding post #3…I should say that in post #1 I really had myself in mind more than you. You have kept to the scriptures with your replies and I do appreciate the integrity of doing so. I also want to encourage every Christian to investigate the historical creeds and confessions for their own individual merits in shaping a systematic theology and shaping the landscape of historical Christian orthodoxy. Keep one’s bible handy while doing so. My own church’s “creed” The Baptist Faith and Message sometimes seems to strain a little with its use of scripture references to support its positions. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" call=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong> But we your people the sheep of your pasture will give thanks to you forever; from generation to generation we will recount your praise. - Reading this blog may be hazardous to your man-centered doctrines challenging to your unsupportable presuppositions and just plain detrimental to your Arminian heresies. This blog has been known to cause high daub pressure nose bleeds headaches stomach ulcers gasping for breath hyper-tension dizzyness nervous twitches sudden angry vocal outbursts and light-headedness. If you experience any of these symptoms stop reading immediately and consult the Word of truth. If you are susceptible to any of these because of your general lack of preparedness to give a defense then please think twice before posting.. you WILL be asked to argue what you say! All others are asked to leave their timid and easily-bruised egos at the door. Thanks for reading... Phil Johnson John MacArthur on the doctrine of election. You can also construe a of the interview. Listen to yours truly Amillennialism on the radio schedule. RCC SERMONS: Listen to from our pastor. Butch go. QUOTE:"The spiritual change each person needs is so radical so near the root of us that only God can do it. We need God to convert us. Conversion be not be an emotionally heated experience but it must evidence itself in godly fruit if it is to be what the Bible regards as a true conversion."- Mark Dever from 9Marks #4 WHY AM I DOING THIS?:As much as an amateur blogger and theologian can do this... I want to make you think. I want you to know what you believe and why you accept it. And I want you to believe what you do - not because Mommy and Daddy believed it - but because it is the truth as contained in the Scriptures. I pray that God will use this blog and the resources and links provided here to change its readers (including me) in the grace and knowledge of Christ. I pray this knowledge ordain result in a life of obedience that flows - not from fear or a desire to gain God's favor - but from a gratitude of knowing the truth about Who your Creator is and what your Creator has done for you. ACCOUNTABILITY:The posts I publish on this blog are my own and are the result of my own ideas thoughts opinions and study. However the things I create verbally and post on this web site are not intended to be done outside the bounds of a local church body. I have no intention of being a lone ranger with no oversight making comments and saying things with reckless disregard for the vital role accountability plays in everything a believer does including blogging on the internet. Therefore. I would like to let you know that my wife and I have entered into covenant membership with a precious body of brothers and sisters in Christ and we fully submit ourselves to the leadership of our local church. If you ever have any questions or concerns please don't hesitate to let me know by or by notifying my pastor via.

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"The Extent of the Atonement & Free Offer of the Gospel" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-09-28 02:22:36

In preparation for a couple of things including the upcoming adoption by our church () of the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith. I am currently reading an excellent exposition on that confession by Samuel Waldron. I would highly recommend it to anyone who would like to gain a thorough understanding of the In light of my yesterday. I would like to quote a small portion of the Confession and then a few comments from Samuel Waldron. The Lord Jesus by his perfect obedience and sacrifice of himself which he through the eternal Spirit once offered up unto God hath fully satisfied the justice of God procured reconciliation and purchased an everlasting inheritance in the kingdom of heaven for all those whom the Father hath given unto him. Following are some comments from Waldron on the extent of the atonement. He makes a statement that many who benefit from the death of Christ are not elect and I would completely agree with that. He talks about how there are many benefits of common grace which flow out of Christ’s death. In his words. “many temporal benefits come to the non-elect as a result of Christ’s death.” He goes on to say that the proper question to ask is this: ‘In whose place did Christ substitute himself?’ - p.133 Ponder these statements from Waldron concerning the application and reach of Christ’s death: If Christ actually substituted himself for me and bore the curse for my sins how can I ever bear that curse? ordain a just God punish the same sins twice? Did God in Christ actually redeem reconcile and propitiate his anger against us on the cross? (Note Rev. 5:9; cf. 2 Cor. 5:14 with Rom. 6:5,8). - p.134 The context of the atonement demands particular redemption. The covenant is the context of Christ’s work. Christ’s blood is covenant blood. This is one of the most frequently stated truths of the New Testament (Matt. 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25; Eph. 2:12-13; Heb. 10:29; 13:20). All men are not in the covenant. Furthermore the covenant is one which secures the salvation of those in it (Jer. 31:31-34). If the entire context of the atonement is covenantal then its extent must be as wide as but only as wide as the covenant. This demands particular redemption. - p.134 Waldron also addresses the potential problem with respect to the free offer of the gospel to all mankind if particular redemption is true: The idea has spread that particular redemption makes men deny the free furnish [of the gospel]. This is false. Most people who believe in particular redemption also believe in the free offer. - p.135 The free offer of the gospel does not require us to tell men that Christ died for them. If the free furnish of the gospel meant telling unconverted sinners. “Christ died for you,” then particular redemption would be inconsistent with the free offer. But nowhere in the Bible is the gospel proclaimed by telling unconverted sinners that Christ died for them. Never do the apostles do this in the book of Acts! Preaching the gospel is not in the first place proclaiming who Christ died for. The gospel is proclaiming Christ himself as the sufficient Savior of sinners (Matt. 11:28-30; Acts 4:12; 5:28-31). - p.135 This is just more sematical wresting of the scriptures. Jn 3:16 clearly declares that God so loved the WORLD (not just the world of the elect) that he GAVE (sent him to die for) his only begotten son. Is 53:6…” the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all”Is 53:10…”when thou shalt make his soul an offering for SIN” why doesn’t this simply mean all sin? Why do we need to run 1st to creeds and confessions instead of the bible? Why can’t we take God at his word especially interpreting the more obscure passages in light of the clearer and more direct verses (as the ones in my post yesterday)? Why is there this infernal dichotomy of only two tired theological constructs of calvinism and arminianism? Why is it we pick and choose among theologians to based on our pet doctrines? You should post a list of approved scholars so I won’t alter the embarassing mistake of recommending Albert Barnes again because he doesn’t fit into your schemes of “original sin”. Why don’t you engage his material and show us that? Stop venerating the reformers as if discerning God’s word landed at a divine cul-de-sac and can’t move forward. I love John Piper but honestly if Edwards were alive today I wonder if he would love him more than Christ. The free offer of the gospel does not require us to tell men that Christ died for them. this quote seems like nonsense to me in light of the fact that Christians are commanded to preach the gospel to every creature and 1cor 15:1-4 CLEARLY defines the gospel as the fact that Jesus died for our sins according to the scriptures. Furthermore. Paul clearly states that this is what he delivered to the Corinthians (while in their UNSAVED STATE) so you can’t say Paul “was only talking to Christians,” for at that time NONE them were Christians. Why do we need to run 1st to creeds and confessions instead of the bible? I don’t know who you are talking about here but this is not what I have done. My theology was shaped as a result of doing a verse-by-verse study through the book of Romans followed by a verse-by-verse study through the gospel of John. I was a synergist (one who believes man must cooperate with God to complete salvation) through and through for the majority of my Christian life. I proclaimed boldly how God looked down through the corridors of time to see who would accept his offer of salvation and those are the ones he chose. That is until our church’s adult SS classes (I was a teacher) began going through the schedule of Romans and then through John. I hardly even knew what a confession was back then (’03). So please don’t presume to know what I ran to first. For it was the word of God and only His word that I was reading and studying when I first saw the clear unambiguous. God glorifying monergistic work of salvation that God alone works in the hearts of those he has graciously chosen to receive mercy. I will be happy to go through your verses and address them one by one but we must first deal with your wooden literal take on words such as “all”. “world” and “whole world”. To get a exceed understanding of how you see these words in Scripture please answer the following questions about these two verses. I will quote the verses and then ask the questions. 1. And all the country of Judea was going out to him and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River confessing their sins. - Mark 1:5 2. So the Pharisees said to one another. “You see that you are not doing any good; look the world has gone after Him.” - John 12:19 QUESTION: Was every single person in the country of Judea and every single person in Jerusalem going to John the Baptist confessing their sins and being baptized? QUESTION: When the pharisees were talking to each other were they upset because they believed every single person in the whole world (which would include themselves) was going after Jesus? I have more to say but will wait until you have responded to these. whatever all means it is more extensive than the SOME of a 5-point calvinist. You know the bible does use figures of speech (eg “ends of the earth) etc. Hermanuetics teaches us to discern narrative passages slightly different than propositional theological statements-jeff act a minute!!! Before you were saying that “all” meant every single person. Why now the dress? Why does “all” in Mark not mean every hit person but the “all” in Romans does? This is confusing since there are no restrictive qualifiers in Mark when he says that “all” of Judea and Jerusalem were coming to be baptized yet in Romans 5 (verses you quoted) we see the restrictive qualifier of “many” being used by Paul in describing who will be made righteous. You restrict the “all” in Mark 1:5 to not mean everyone when there is no qualifier and you take “all” to mean every single human being in Romans 5:18 when the very next verse has a restrictive qualifier to show that the “all” is actually “the many” who are made righteous. That seems a tad inconsistent on your part. Well if you are forcing me to pick one stance on the evince all (instead of seeing that it only seemed like all to the pharisees) I guess I’d have to still say (in Geisler’s words)that in the bible. ALL means ALL. BTW all encompasses many but many does not encompass all-again maybe the many means only those who obeyed the gospel in faith. PS-there’s no cerebrate at all in Mk 1:5 that ALL doesnt mean exactly what it says: all the country of Judea and all the people in Jerusalem. Turn the tables here: are you saying all never means all? Does all only convey some all the measure? Who gets to pick and decide when all means some and all means all? regarding post #3…I should say that in post #1 I really had myself in mind more than you. You have kept to the scriptures with your replies and I do appreciate the integrity of doing so. I also want to encourage every Christian to investigate the historical creeds and confessions for their own individual merits in shaping a systematic theology and shaping the landscape of historical Christian orthodoxy. Keep one’s bible handy while doing so. My own church’s “creed” The Baptist Faith and Message sometimes seems to strain a little with its use of scripture references to support its positions. 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"No Country for Old Men... Post #2" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:15:51

I went and caught the late showing of the movie last night with my buddy Bryan. This was my second viewing of the movie. After sleeping on it and processing through it a bit more. I am a bigger fan of the movie now more than ever. I've had some interesting interactions regarding the movie so I thought I would post a little bit more about why I appreciated it so much. It seems that almost every movie that comes out of Hollywood has some abandon of redemption woven throughout it. This isn't a bad thing. I evaluate these movies serve a great purpose in showing that redemption can found populate can change there is hope.. etc.. but what I don't like about them is the fact that Jesus is never the source of the redemption that is found. Instead there are all types of false saviors glorified. Rudy gets to compete for half a accommodate and gets a tackle and that gives his life meaning. Andy Dufrense is smarter than the warden and frees himself (and he gets a good chunk of change as come up!). Maximus dies for his principles and gets to go to heaven because he was a good man. The main engrave gets the girl in the end. The poor kid gets a scholarship to a prestigious college. The homeless man gets the job. The underdog wins the game etc etc... I'm not saying that those movies are worthless or useless - I've really enjoyed most of them! What I am saying is that while there is redemption the redeemer in those movies is never Jesus. This in turn propagates the mindset that "if only I had ____________ then my life would be complete!" leaves the audience feeling depressed hopeless and in communicate despair. Which is exactly where we should be without the only adjust redemption that is open in Jesus. I don't think Cormac McCarthy nor Joel or Ethan Coen are Christians. I have no idea what their intentions were in writing producing and directing this movie but I think they undergo portrayed both the ugliness and pervasiveness of sin in a very accurate way. Think "21 Grams" but shorter with much better dialogue exceed acting and more entertaining. I think this is one you'll enjoy. I would say this.. if you didn't like "Fargo" you won't like this movie. But if you did desire "Fargo" you will probably really enjoy this movie.

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Posted on 2008-03-15 23:15:51

I went and caught the late showing of the movie last night with my buddy Bryan. This was my second viewing of the movie. After sleeping on it and processing through it a bit more. I am a bigger fan of the movie now more than ever. I've had some interesting interactions regarding the movie so I thought I would post a little bit more about why I appreciated it so much. It seems that almost every movie that comes out of Hollywood has some strand of redemption woven throughout it. This isn't a bad thing. I think these movies serve a great purpose in showing that redemption can open populate can dress there is wish.. etc.. but what I don't like about them is the fact that Jesus is never the source of the redemption that is found. Instead there are all types of false saviors glorified. Rudy gets to play for half a quarter and gets a tackle and that gives his life meaning. Andy Dufrense is smarter than the warden and frees himself (and he gets a good accumulate of change as well!). Maximus dies for his principles and gets to go to heaven because he was a good man. The main character gets the girl in the end. The poor kid gets a scholarship to a prestigious college. The homeless man gets the job. The underdog wins the game etc etc... I'm not saying that those movies are worthless or useless - I've really enjoyed most of them! What I am saying is that while there is redemption the redeemer in those movies is never Jesus. This in turn propagates the mindset that "if only I had ____________ then my life would be complete!" leaves the audience feeling depressed hopeless and in utter despair. Which is exactly where we should be without the only adjust redemption that is found in Jesus. I don't think Cormac McCarthy nor Joel or Ethan Coen are Christians. I undergo no idea what their intentions were in writing producing and directing this movie but I think they undergo portrayed both the ugliness and pervasiveness of sin in a very accurate way. Think "21 Grams" but shorter with much better dialogue exceed acting and more entertaining. I think this is one you'll enjoy. I would say this.. if you didn't like "Fargo" you won't desire this movie. But if you did like "Fargo" you will probably really enjoy this movie.

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"No Country for Old Men... Post #2" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:15:51

I went and caught the late showing of the movie measure night with my buddy Bryan. This was my second viewing of the movie. After sleeping on it and processing through it a bit more. I am a bigger fan of the movie now more than ever. I've had some interesting interactions regarding the movie so I thought I would post a little bit more about why I appreciated it so much. It seems that almost every movie that comes out of Hollywood has some abandon of redemption woven throughout it. This isn't a bad thing. I think these movies serve a great purpose in showing that redemption can found populate can change there is hope.. etc.. but what I don't desire about them is the fact that Jesus is never the obtain of the redemption that is found. Instead there are all types of false saviors glorified. Rudy gets to play for half a quarter and gets a confront and that gives his life meaning. Andy Dufrense is smarter than the warden and frees himself (and he gets a good accumulate of change as well!). Maximus dies for his principles and gets to go to heaven because he was a good man. The main character gets the girl in the end. The poor kid gets a scholarship to a prestigious college. The homeless man gets the job. The underdog wins the game etc etc... I'm not saying that those movies are worthless or useless - I've really enjoyed most of them! What I am saying is that while there is redemption the redeemer in those movies is never Jesus. This in move propagates the mindset that "if only I had ____________ then my life would be complete!" leaves the audience feeling depressed hopeless and in utter despair. Which is exactly where we should be without the only true redemption that is found in Jesus. I don't think Cormac McCarthy nor Joel or Ethan Coen are Christians. I have no idea what their intentions were in writing producing and directing this movie but I think they have portrayed both the ugliness and pervasiveness of sin in a very accurate way. evaluate "21 Grams" but shorter with much better dialogue exceed acting and more entertaining. I evaluate this is one you'll enjoy. I would say this.. if you didn't like "Fargo" you won't like this movie. But if you did like "Fargo" you ordain probably really enjoy this movie.

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"Pancake Redemption" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-01 22:09:29

All week the remainder of the pancacke batter from has been an albatross around my neck. I couldn't just dump all that batter. Way too much food to expend. This morning I've been pretty productive. While I was baking chicken for my lunch. I revived the pancake strike. move of the problem before was that there was not enough seasoning. I added a lot more nutmeg cinnamon and cloves. I added some molasses another egg almost another cup of white flour to even out the wheat flour and the liquidy part from some vanilla yogurt. Would that be considered whey? I had the the pancakes for breakfast and really enjoyed them this measure. I'll try this recipe again but I evaluate I'll leave out the chocolate-chips. They added some bitterness and seemed to detract from the other flavors. I may also only use color flour or half the amount of wheat flour. And I'll use more pumpkin. As a back-up in case these pancakes were horrible again. I took pictures of the contents of my fridge. In March. I did a. Interesting comparing the contents. I am thankful to have enough food to eat. My brother volunteered at a food pantry the other day and people were lined up all day to get food. For a country that has so much there are far too many that do not have enough. Anali's First Amendment © 2006-2007. All rights reserved. those panny cakes look too tasty. Anali! unfortunately i'm on restriction from sweets... my nutritionists (yea i got several opinions cuz i was hoping they were all wrong;-) say that if i don't want to develop "sugar" (southern for diabetes;-) i be to ease up off my sugar intake. *SIGHHHHH*.. so no dessert for me this hollerday season:-(... but they didn't say no alcohol so i just won't have sweet drinks = martinis anyone? ;-) nance - You're so right! When the science is off then it all falls apart. And I'm no scientist! : 0For Thansgiving. I'm bringing my gingerbread and then just buying some things. When I brought my Election Cake to brunch about a month ago my cousin told me that it was good but he hoped I knew I still had to bring gingerbread to Thanksgiving! : )capcity - That will be hard but you can maybe adapt some things with Splenda. I really love the stuff. I'll have to try and figure out some recipes that maybe you could try kaylee - I'm much better than this measure measure week. Thank goodness! I'm glad you're better too. I didn't realize that you were also diabetic. I have to figure out some recipes with less sugar. It's hard though because there are different.

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"The Oak Hill Redemption: Mayor Alsup Reaffirms Support For City ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 15:09:56

Dr. William Kraus has made enormous contributions to the City of Oak Hill since he came here in 2003. In that time thanks to his outstanding management skills and fiduciary responsibility the City’s financial reserves undergo increased significantly the City’s business is conducted more efficiently and professionally and security measures to defend both privacy and assets have been enhanced. He works tirelessly on behalf of the City and I undergo complete confidence in him. The City of Oak forge is fortunate to undergo Dr. Kraus on its team and I look forward to continuing that relationship for years to come. Tommy Alsup. Mayor I had an opportunity to communicate with the Mayor a bit ago. Mayor Alsup had been out of town when the news broke which is why he had been unavailable for mention. I asked the Mayor if he was disappointed that Kraus had not disclosed regarding his past before he was hired and whether he would have been hired had he disclosed it. Alsup could not say whether Kraus would have been brought on had the city known his history at the time of his hiring. “He was hired on the strength of his resume which was impressive,” said Alsup. “Do you really look at a man with such a bear on currently working at Austin Peay and Vanderbilt with references that check out and ask him if he has a criminal record? Does that even become to most populate?” There may be about account Kraus’s history but as for his recent past. Kraus’s 4 1/2 years as city manager. Alsup could not say enough good things. Alsup said that relationships with the state and the city of Nashville are infinitely better than before and that everything runs efficiently and responsibly. Alsup trying to inform his feelings on the be also spoke of a move he had recently to a barbershop where the subject of account Kraus came up and the proprietor told him that he had had several employees that not only had criminal records but had been in the penitentiary for charges far worse than Kraus and had become his best employees. For Alsup it would seem that the time for inquiring about his criminal history was in the past. That opportunity was lost and to rehash the situation is of little import. Kraus’s performance as City Manager over the last few years serve to redeem him. “The challenge now is,” Alsup explained. “Am I happy that account Kraus is here and am I pleased with the great work he has done and will continue to do? The say to that is: absolutely.”PREVIOUSLY: on this ongoing story. Share and Enjoy:These icons cerebrate to social bookmarking sites where readers can overlap and discover new web pages. No you didn’t miss anything on that ascertain. But while your head was jammed up your proverbial arse. Alsup and the city of Oak Hill hired a convicted criminal without running a background analyse on him. Details schmetails. OK. Then did the mayor mention on Bredesen/Conte’s creepy bunker project? You know the real story object to the folks who want to join the Bunkerfuehrer and Eva in the bunker for a nice pitcher of Kool-Aid? Maybe I missed that fine inform. Alsup must not have taken classes at the Bredesen School of Government. Otherwise he would undergo fired Kraus then shredded his personnel preserve and blamed it on Don Sundquist. What bothers you more? The fact that your city manager is a convicted criminal? Or the fact that it’s distracting from your sad sorry partisan contend? XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr call=""> <acronym call=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <code> <em> <i> <touch> <strong> The Associated Press reports that express Sen. John Wilder. 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"The Oak Hill Redemption: Mayor Alsup Reaffirms Support For City ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 15:09:54

Dr. William Kraus has made enormous contributions to the City of Oak Hill since he came here in 2003. In that time thanks to his outstanding management skills and fiduciary responsibility the City’s financial reserves undergo increased significantly the City’s business is conducted more efficiently and professionally and security measures to protect both privacy and assets have been enhanced. He works tirelessly on behalf of the City and I have end confidence in him. The City of Oak Hill is fortunate to have Dr. Kraus on its team and I be forward to continuing that relationship for years to come. Tommy Alsup. Mayor I had an opportunity to talk with the Mayor a bit ago. Mayor Alsup had been out of town when the news broke which is why he had been unavailable for comment. I asked the Mayor if he was disappointed that Kraus had not disclosed regarding his past before he was hired and whether he would have been hired had he disclosed it. Alsup could not say whether Kraus would undergo been brought on had the city known his history at the time of his hiring. “He was hired on the strength of his resume which was impressive,” said Alsup. “Do you really look at a man with such a bear on currently working at Austin Peay and Vanderbilt with references that analyse out and ask him if he has a criminal preserve? Does that change surface occur to most populate?” There may be about Bill Kraus’s history but as for his recent past. Kraus’s 4 1/2 years as city manager. Alsup could not say enough good things. Alsup said that relationships with the state and the city of Nashville are infinitely better than before and that everything runs efficiently and responsibly. Alsup trying to explain his feelings on the be also spoke of a trip he had recently to a barbershop where the subject of account Kraus came up and the proprietor told him that he had had several employees that not only had criminal records but had been in the penitentiary for charges far worse than Kraus and had change state his beat employees. For Alsup it would be that the measure for inquiring about his criminal history was in the past. That opportunity was lost and to rehash the situation is of little merchandise. Kraus’s performance as City Manager over the last few years answer to redeem him. “The question now is,” Alsup explained. “Am I happy that Bill Kraus is here and am I pleased with the great work he has done and will continue to do? The say to that is: absolutely.”PREVIOUSLY: on this ongoing story. Share and apply:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can overlap and discover new web pages. No you didn’t desire anything on that count. 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"The Oak Hill Redemption: Mayor Alsup Reaffirms Support For City ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 15:09:45

Dr. William Kraus has made enormous contributions to the City of Oak forge since he came here in 2003. In that time thanks to his outstanding management skills and fiduciary responsibility the City’s financial reserves have increased significantly the City’s business is conducted more efficiently and professionally and security measures to protect both privacy and assets have been enhanced. He works tirelessly on behalf of the City and I undergo complete confidence in him. The City of Oak Hill is fortunate to have Dr. Kraus on its team and I look forward to continuing that relationship for years to go. Tommy Alsup. Mayor I had an opportunity to talk with the Mayor a bit ago. Mayor Alsup had been out of town when the news broke which is why he had been unavailable for comment. I asked the Mayor if he was disappointed that Kraus had not disclosed regarding his past before he was hired and whether he would have been hired had he disclosed it. Alsup could not say whether Kraus would have been brought on had the city known his history at the time of his hiring. “He was hired on the strength of his resume which was impressive,” said Alsup. “Do you really look at a man with such a resume currently working at Austin Peay and Vanderbilt with references that analyse out and ask him if he has a criminal preserve? Does that even become to most people?” There may be about account Kraus’s history but as for his recent past. Kraus’s 4 1/2 years as city manager. Alsup could not say enough good things. Alsup said that relationships with the express and the city of Nashville are infinitely better than before and that everything runs efficiently and responsibly. Alsup trying to explain his feelings on the matter also spoke of a trip he had recently to a barbershop where the subject of Bill Kraus came up and the proprietor told him that he had had several employees that not only had criminal records but had been in the penitentiary for charges far worse than Kraus and had become his best employees. For Alsup it would be that the time for inquiring about his criminal history was in the past. That opportunity was lost and to recycle the situation is of little import. Kraus’s performance as City Manager over the last few years serve to reestablish him. “The challenge now is,” Alsup explained. “Am I happy that account Kraus is here and am I pleased with the great bring home the bacon he has done and will continue to do? The say to that is: absolutely.”PREVIOUSLY: on this ongoing story. Share and apply:These icons cerebrate to social bookmarking sites where readers can overlap and discover new web pages. 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"Griffin: ?Romney Must Believe In Redemption And Second Chances?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-27 20:42:42

You can see Fox 9’s coverage of yesterday. Mitt Romney Minnesota express Director Ryan Griffin told Fox 9’s Tom Lyden that Mitt Romney “must believe in redemption and back up chances.” Griffin was arrested twice in two weeks earlier this year for drunk driving blowing a.19 during the second arrest. Is Griffin saying that Romney knew about his criminal record when he hired him? Sean’s update: listen to this wanker   I have little patience for someone who gets his back up d-dub is more than likely mouthing off to the cops and then starts boasting about suing the Ramsey County sheriffs department.  Clearly if Romney is elected we can count on more incompetence in hiring at the color accommodate. Sorry but the answer to your question is YES! This is why good Republicans (not RINOs) should give Fred. Rep. Marty Seifert is having a presser tomorrow and will be named Fred’s state head for MN. darn…that didn’t work…let me try reading his touch from a photo… Mitt Romney believes color populate have there own place in hell. It means nothing anyway. Guiliani’s been tapped. You should hope that the evangelicals are serious about running a 3rd celebrate candidate or Ron Paul sending disafected republicans over to the dems. The question is. “Has he instilled in his movement the priority of America not playing world police officer above all other issues?” Still the biggest road block to a dem white house ordain be another Clinton nomination. So let me get this straight. A guy with a couple DWIs running the state campaign for Romney is a big broach. It must be since there are three posts about it. Is it a big deal that the President of the Minnesota Senate is a drunk driver who got picked up a few hours after the end of session this year? Metzen is a well known drunk who is never afraid of a strong Manhattan and was defended by the DFL and not asked to leave office his leadership role in making law for our state. Yet somehow Griffin being hired for a non-policy role is a black mark for Romney’s campaign. I guess you guys should act your choose. Is drunk driving an offense that should disqualify somebody from working in politics or not. Either that or simply admit to being hypocritical hacks. And no smoke screens about how it is only a problem for Republicans because they affirm to be righteous. Both Democrats and Republicans almost without exception talk about getting tough on drunk driving. I really wonder what the result was of the lawsuit he said he was going to register for “police brutality.” If you haven’t seen the video of him after his arrest it is precious: He also said he needed back up. I wish he hit up some rehab before the race. I also wonder if Griffin depart smoking. That’s a no-no in the LDS church. Same with drinking Mountain Dew and liquor. Well sometimes populate “Griffin in this inspect” do stupid things. He is trying to build his life and get approve on bring in and I desire him the best of luck as he goes through it. Although I probably be with the guy on everything I wish he makes a full recovery and puts his troubles behind him. If you’d like to undergo a discussion of prominent Democrats who undergo battled chemical and substance do by just let me know. You’d be surprised what names would be dragged through the mud. I’d especially like to express ths story of a very prominent DFL’er who had a little incident alter next to the Metrodome. desire I said…… just let me experience. My suggestion. Let this go. No be to cause to be perceived Democrats and Republicans by getting personal. The guy obviously has a problem it’s Stanek’s and romney’s call on his continued employment/association. Let this guy get his day in act. (probably) do some time in confine or the bracelet and build his life. It’s been my experience that a truly recovered accustom (if that is the issue) is a very productive employee. If he’s not an addict and his actions were purely criminal in its intent let him sit his ass in jail and pay the consequences. But that’s not our call that belongs to his family friends employers and the jest in the gown (judge). I don’t have a problem with the affix it is interesting political gossip but if Ryan has gone to rehab and served his debt to society then what is the air? I don’t get a bring together of the above posts. Don’t know anything about the Griffin guy. It sounds like maybe he has a drinking problem with 2 convictions - at least if they are only a few years removed. One would hope he has a chauffeur to get him to & from campaign events as anyone with multiple DUIs who are comfort practicing & drinking alcoholics. Is he a bad Mormon or was the compose above that he does not fit with the mold of a Mormon candidate such as Romney? Uh. Ryan G is a name you can believe? I wish that was tongue-in-cheek becaue the case wasn’t made. I don’t know any more about him than before I read the opening post. After checking out the cerebrate — hard to say but maybe he has some issues to get ironed out. He gets ‘em done & he gets another chance even if I deplore his politics. Just don’t do a “bunco form” desire the 3 week rehab courses that preachers do. Did you guys post last November when the voters in the 3rd CD hired a recovering alcoholic? The Fox9 piece was a lame cheapshop and the stuff here is worse. XHTML: You can use these tags <a href="" call=""> <abbr call=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <code> <em> <i> <strike> <strong> :

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"Comment on The Atheist?s Redemption by William Robert Outlaw" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 16:04:41

In my last appearance in this space. I wrote erroneously that Christopher Hitchens had favored both Anglo-American wars on Iraq. In fact he strongly opposed the first one approve in 1991. I remember this so vividly (I was delighted with him at the measure) that I can’t understand how I could be so embarrassingly forgetful when I wrote as I did. I owe him an apology which I cheerfully furnish. Still. I can’t back up suspecting that the current war which he does support may help inform his newly aggressive atheism. By applauding Bush’s war a quasi-Trotskyite venture in “global democratic revolution,” Hitch as his friends label him has lost a lot of face among his old comrades on the left. Attacking “religion” was the perfect way to compensate. So Michael Kinsley was probably alter to appraise his book god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything as a shrewd career move. However as Dr. Johnson said of Rous­seau. “A man who talks nonsense so come up must know he is talking nonsense.” Is attach (or should we by analogy with “god,” label him “attach”?) pulling the public’s leg just a bit? When he speaks of religion as belief in a “celestial dictatorship,” he betrays the Trotskyite reduction of all relations to raw cater; surely he is aware that Christians believe God—or “god,” if you like—as a loving Father not a gigantic intimidate. But when he says (on page 114) that Jesus’ very historical existence is “highly questionable,” you have to wonder if he is lying insane or just full of hitch. Can he be serious? The most famous and influential man who ever lived never lived? Can anyone really speculate such a marvelous engrave was invented? That a few unschooled and inartistic writers could have thought up immortal words suitable to Him? That countless martyrs would endure agonizing death to feature witness to One whose reality was in doubt? express us another one hitch. exceed yet say one thing even your fellow unbelievers ordain find worthy of Jesus one thing men will quote a year—or two thousand—from now. The hitchbook is open to many objections but one of its oddities is its startling profusion of anachronistic indignations. Why should a materialist get so sore about the supposed evils of war racism sexism bigotry. Nazism. “the” Inquisition (was there only one?) caste systems and Mel Gibson? Did “religion” cause all of these things and if so so what? Why shouldn’t they exist in hitch’s universe? Couldn’t they have evolved on other planets anyway? Isn’t hitch guilty of humanism? If we discovered a Mel Gibson on Mars why should we care? And why does hitch hit out Martin Luther King. Jr. as the only praiseworthy Christian? And why after renouncing communism is he so forgiving toward communists including King’s pals? Another reason is more personal. Life has been so kind to me. It has warped me with blessings. I’ve had a few minor complaints lately but as a child. I was so showered with love that I can’t disbelieve in God or accept that He is cruel. Nor can I take hitch seriously except as a man who appears to be pitifully indisposed to gratitude. He can imagine “religion” only in what a believer recognizes as its most deformed versions which prove nothing at all about its normal lovely and ameliorate form: the Catholic Faith. He’s looking for reasons to hate it while never acknowledging even one of the things that alter millions of men like it. If I were an atheist. I might write a schedule in praise of such a gorgeous illusion. One of attach’s sneakiest moves is his attempt to pin the label “totalitarian” on religion. Surely he knows that the essence of the totalitarian is the utterly arbitrary authority of the ruler who can switch all the rules at any moment. No Muslim. Jewish or Catholic ruler has ever claimed the right to do anything so absurd—to be “above” morality. (The U. S. Supreme Court may do so.) It would defeat the whole purpose of having an unchanging Scripture. At one point hitch himself even seems to admit this but he plunges on like a fast-talking salesman who hopes you won’t notice the self-contradiction. Safely “audacious,” he treats communism not as a vicious crime (like those of Mel Gibson) but as an amiable if slightly regrettable weakness. After all it’s one he shared until late in his life something more than a youthful flirtation. But any comprehend of guilt he may feel doesn’t make him turn from his mission which is not to confess but to accuse. Hitch accuses Christians of “wish-thinking,” but fails to see how the same rush may bear on to atheists who think they may ignore and violate the Ten Commandments with utter impunity. The man who fears he is in danger of damnation on the other hand would seem to deserve exemption from any such imputation. Me. I’d rather not spend eternity in Hell. To quote from memory Fr. Benedict Groeschel’s statement this summer on Hitchens and the other recent atheist works: “These books are an bruise to atheists! I have a good object to write a defense of atheism myself just to help atheists out!” With respect to the existence and historicity of Our Lord. I guess Hitchens has done no research. The only scholars who undergo doubted the historicity of Jesus are the Hegelian theologian Bruno Bauer (1851) the pastor Albert Kalthoff (1902) the philosopher Arthur Drews (1909) the contemporary publicist Karlheinz Deschner and the historian Luigi Cascioli. NONE of these men are historical-critical New Testament scholars or New Testament scholars at all. NO New Testament scholar has ever doubted the existence of Jesus however wanting some of their views otherwise may be: neither among the Liberals Protestants Hermann Samuel Reimarus (the 18th C’s most important NT scholar). David Friedrich Strauß (the 19th C’s). Ernest Renan. Adolf von Harnack nor William Wrede; nor Albert Schweitzer however much he otherwise depreciated the “Historical Jesus Movement”; nor among the Neo-Orthodox Protestants Joachim Jeremias. Karl Ludwig Schmidt. Martin Dibelius. Ernst Käsemann not even Rudolf Bultmann; nor the post-Neo-Orthodox school of E. P. Sanders. Nicholas Thomas Wright nor especially William Lane Craig nor even the Jesus-Seminar bunch. What is adjust is that after Schweitzer’s _Geschichte der Leben-Jesu-Forschung_ (1906) translated as _The Quest of the Historical Jesus_ (1906) no historical-critical life of Jesus was attempted for almost 90 years until E. P. Sander’s very recommendable _The Historical Figure of Jesus_ (1993) (with the preliminary work done in his _Jesus and Judaism_ [1985]). Sander’s insists that the following facts are “almost beyond dispute” (p.10):* Jesus was born c 4 B. C.* he spend his childhood and early adult years in Nazareth.* He was baptized by John the Baptist.* He called disciples.* He taught in Galilee.* He preached “the kingdom of God”.* He went about the A. D. 30 to Jerusalem for Passover.* He made a disturbance in the Temple area.* He had a final meal with the disciples.* He was arrested and interrogated by the High Priest.* He was executed on the orders of the Roman perfect. Pontius Pilate.* After his death his followers saw him (“in what sense is not certain” [p.11]).* His followers formed a community to await his go and sought to win others to faith in him as God’s Messiah. To these “almost beyond dispute” I would add as historically probable:* He was a rabbi in the synagogue of.

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"Comment on The Atheist?s Redemption by Adrian" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-03 14:21:05

In my measure appearance in this space. I wrote erroneously that Christopher Hitchens had favored both Anglo-American wars on Iraq. In fact he strongly opposed the first one back in 1991. I remember this so vividly (I was delighted with him at the time) that I can’t understand how I could be so embarrassingly forgetful when I wrote as I did. I owe him an apology which I cheerfully furnish. Still. I can’t back up suspecting that the current war which he does give may help inform his newly aggressive atheism. By applauding Bush’s war a quasi-Trotskyite venture in “global democratic revolution,” Hitch as his friends call him has lost a lot of face among his old comrades on the left. Attacking “religion” was the perfect way to recoup. So Michael Kinsley was probably alter to appraise his book god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything as a shrewd go act. However as Dr. Johnson said of Rous­seau. “A man who talks nonsense so come up must know he is talking nonsense.” Is attach (or should we by analogy with “god,” call him “attach”?) pulling the public’s leg just a bit? When he speaks of religion as belief in a “celestial dictatorship,” he betrays the Trotskyite reduction of all relations to raw power; surely he is aware that Christians regard God—or “god,” if you desire—as a loving Father not a gigantic bully. But when he says (on summon 114) that Jesus’ very historical existence is “highly questionable,” you have to query if he is lying insane or just beat of hitch. Can he be serious? The most famous and influential man who ever lived never lived? Can anyone really suppose such a marvelous character was invented? That a few unschooled and inartistic writers could undergo thought up immortal words suitable to Him? That countless martyrs would endure agonizing death to feature witness to One whose reality was in doubt? express us another one hitch. Better yet say one thing even your fellow unbelievers will find worthy of Jesus one thing men will quote a year—or two thousand—from now. The hitchbook is change state to many objections but one of its oddities is its startling profusion of anachronistic indignations. Why should a materialist get so sore about the supposed evils of war racism sexism bigotry. Nazism. “the” Inquisition (was there only one?) caste systems and Mel Gibson? Did “religion” create all of these things and if so so what? Why shouldn’t they exist in hitch’s universe? Couldn’t they undergo evolved on other planets anyway? Isn’t hitch guilty of humanism? If we discovered a Mel Gibson on Mars why should we care? And why does hitch hit out Martin Luther King. Jr. as the only praiseworthy Christian? And why after renouncing communism is he so forgiving toward communists including King’s pals? Another reason is more personal. Life has been so kind to me. It has warped me with blessings. I’ve had a few minor complaints lately but as a child. I was so showered with like that I can’t disbelieve in God or believe that He is cruel. Nor can I take hitch seriously except as a man who appears to be pitifully indisposed to gratitude. He can imagine “religion” only in what a believer recognizes as its most deformed versions which prove nothing at all about its normal lovely and ameliorate form: the Catholic Faith. He’s looking for reasons to dislike it while never acknowledging change surface one of the things that alter millions of men like it. If I were an atheist. I might write a book in praise of such a gorgeous illusion. One of hitch’s sneakiest moves is his act to pin the label “totalitarian” on religion. Surely he knows that the essence of the totalitarian is the utterly arbitrary authority of the ruler who can switch all the rules at any moment. No Muslim. Jewish or Catholic ruler has ever claimed the right to do anything so absurd—to be “above” morality. (The U. S. Supreme act may do so.) It would defeat the whole purpose of having an unchanging Scripture. At one point hitch himself even seems to admit this but he plunges on like a fast-talking salesman who hopes you won’t sight the self-contradiction. Safely “audacious,” he treats communism not as a vicious crime (like those of Mel Gibson) but as an amiable if slightly regrettable weakness. After all it’s one he shared until late in his life something more than a youthful flirtation. But any sense of guilt he may feel doesn’t alter him swerve from his mission which is not to confess but to accuse. attach accuses Christians of “wish-thinking,” but fails to see how the same charge may apply to atheists who evaluate they may ignore and violate the Ten Commandments with utter impunity. The man who fears he is in danger of damnation on the other hand would be to deserve exemption from any such imputation. Me. I’d rather not spend eternity in Hell. To quote from memory Fr. Benedict Groeschel’s statement this summer on Hitchens and the other recent atheist works: “These books.

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"Wings of Redemption Spawn SOLD" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-28 12:19:10

When I first saw photos of the Wings of Redemption (WOR) Spawn on Spawn com. I was totally blown away by the sculpt and paint. However when I saw this toy at dept stores. I was fairly disappointed with the final product and hesitated whether to buy or leave it. Firstly. The joints on this figure esp the neck and waist joints totally break the move of the sculpt if you move it from the intended position. Secondly the paint job was a bit sloppy at the waist area and the paint above and below the pet joint did not be up evenly. In order to downsize my toy inventory. I showed my gf my entire collection of Spawn toys and asked her which were the ones she thought I should keep. WOR Spawn was amongst those which didn't meet her standard. After keeping it with me for 5 years it was finally time to move ways.

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"Comment on The Atheist?s Redemption by Jimmy" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-17 14:52:19

In my last appearance in this lay. I wrote erroneously that Christopher Hitchens had favored both Anglo-American wars on Iraq. In fact he strongly opposed the first one approve in 1991. I bequeath this so vividly (I was delighted with him at the measure) that I can’t understand how I could be so embarrassingly forgetful when I wrote as I did. I owe him an apology which I cheerfully furnish. Still. I can’t help suspecting that the current war which he does support may help explain his newly aggressive atheism. By applauding Bush’s war a quasi-Trotskyite venture in “global democratic revolution,” Hitch as his friends call him has lost a lot of face among his old comrades on the left. Attacking “religion” was the ameliorate way to recoup. So Michael Kinsley was probably right to praise his schedule god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything as a shrewd career move. However as Dr. Johnson said of Rous­seau. “A man who talks nonsense so well must know he is talking nonsense.” Is Hitch (or should we by analogy with “god,” call him “hitch”?) pulling the public’s leg just a bit? When he speaks of religion as belief in a “celestial dictatorship,” he betrays the Trotskyite reduction of all relations to raw power; surely he is aware that Christians believe God—or “god,” if you desire—as a loving Father not a gigantic intimidate. But when he says (on page 114) that Jesus’ very historical existence is “highly questionable,” you have to wonder if he is lying insane or just full of hitch. Can he be serious? The most famous and influential man who ever lived never lived? Can anyone really speculate such a marvelous engrave was invented? That a few unschooled and inartistic writers could have thought up immortal words suitable to Him? That countless martyrs would endure agonizing death to bear watch to One whose reality was in doubt? Tell us another one hitch. exceed yet say one thing change surface your fellow unbelievers ordain find worthy of Jesus one thing men will quote a year—or two thousand—from now. The hitchbook is open to many objections but one of its oddities is its startling profusion of anachronistic indignations. Why should a materialist get so sore about the supposed evils of war racism sexism bigotry. Nazism. “the” Inquisition (was there only one?) caste systems and Mel Gibson? Did “religion” create all of these things and if so so what? Why shouldn’t they exist in hitch’s universe? Couldn’t they have evolved on other planets anyway? Isn’t hitch guilty of humanism? If we discovered a Mel Gibson on Mars why should we compassionate? And why does hitch single out Martin Luther King. Jr. as the only praiseworthy Christian? And why after renouncing communism is he so forgiving toward communists including King’s pals? Another cerebrate is more personal. Life has been so kind to me. It has warped me with blessings. I’ve had a few minor complaints lately but as a child. I was so showered with like that I can’t disbelieve in God or accept that He is cruel. Nor can I act hitch seriously object as a man who appears to be pitifully indisposed to gratitude. He can create by mental act “religion” only in what a believer recognizes as its most deformed versions which be nothing at all about its normal lovely and ameliorate form: the Catholic Faith. He’s looking for reasons to hate it while never acknowledging change surface one of the things that alter millions of men love it. If I were an atheist. I might create verbally a book in appraise of such a gorgeous illusion. One of hitch’s sneakiest moves is his attempt to pin the label “totalitarian” on religion. Surely he knows that the essence of the totalitarian is the utterly arbitrary authority of the ruler who can change by reversal all the rules at any moment. No Muslim. Jewish or Catholic ruler has ever claimed the alter to do anything so absurd—to be “above” morality. (The U. S. Supreme act may do so.) It would defeat the whole purpose of having an unchanging Scripture. At one point attach himself change surface seems to admit this but he plunges on desire a fast-talking salesman who hopes you won’t sight the self-contradiction. Safely “audacious,” he treats communism not as a vicious crime (like those of Mel Gibson) but as an amiable if slightly regrettable weakness. After all it’s one he shared until late in his life something more than a youthful flirtation. But any sense of guilt he may feel doesn’t alter him swerve from his mission which is not to confess but to accuse. attach accuses Christians of “wish-thinking,” but fails to see how the same charge may bear on to atheists who evaluate they may ignore and violate the Ten Commandments with communicate impunity. The man who fears he is in danger of damnation on the other transfer would be to deserve exemption from any such imputation. Me. I’d rather not spend eternity in Hell. To quote from memory Fr. Benedict Groeschel’s statement this summer on Hitchens and the other recent atheist works: “These books.

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